So many failures early on

How do you eat an elephant?

Answer: One bite at a time.

How do you learn ASP.Net?

Answer: One byte at a time.

Try starting small, with something like a "Hello World" single-page
application. Do it with something like a Label Control that you set the Text
property of in the Page_Load method of the CodeBehind, to get the feel of
working through CodeBehind and object-orientation. Once you can get a simple
Label to display "Hello World," you can add things to the page to learn how
to do more.

I taught myself C a dozen years ago in much the same manner.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
Neither a follower nor a lender be.
"Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@dotnet.itags.org.mybubbles.com> wrote in message
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> I've had so many failures early with aspx on that it bumbed me out.
> A lot of intimidating error messages, a lot of config issues,
> I wish I had some successes in the beginningHoly crap you caught me at posting at Cakewalk.

I am just sort of whining about the fact that they "sold" ASP.net to us as
the next really easy step up from ASP, when in fact the two are as
dissimilar as any other programming languages.

"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@.takempis.com> wrote in message
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> How do you eat an elephant?
> Answer: One bite at a time.
> How do you learn ASP.Net?
> Answer: One byte at a time.
> Try starting small, with something like a "Hello World" single-page
> application. Do it with something like a Label Control that you set the
Text
> property of in the Page_Load method of the CodeBehind, to get the feel of
> working through CodeBehind and object-orientation. Once you can get a
simple
> Label to display "Hello World," you can add things to the page to learn
how
> to do more.
> I taught myself C a dozen years ago in much the same manner.
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> http://www.takempis.com
> Neither a follower nor a lender be.
> "Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@.mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> news:esS2j2VYDHA.384@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I've had so many failures early with aspx on that it bumbed me out.
> > A lot of intimidating error messages, a lot of config issues,
> > I wish I had some successes in the beginning
I don't know about "easiest", but .NET is arguably the hugest milestone since the computer was first built. It sets you up to do complex things way easier than you ever could, and make the things you do - reusable.

In my mind, there are two types of things. Things that are "easy to use" and things that are "easy to learn" - and these are usually mutually exclusive.. WordPerfect 5.0 was really difficult to learn, but once you did - it was really easy to use.. and powerful. Something like Notepad is easy to learn, but not easy to use - because once you learn how to use it - it can't do the more complex things you'd like to do (like macros, formatting, etc..). So you can either have something that's easy in the beginning, but you run into major roadblocks later on (point to VB6).. or you can take something that is tough up front - but has nearly ENDLESS potential (pointing to .NET)...

"Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@.mybubbles.com> wrote in message news:udUjOeEbDHA.2284@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Holy crap you caught me at posting at Cakewalk.

I am just sort of whining about the fact that they "sold" ASP.net to us as
the next really easy step up from ASP, when in fact the two are as
dissimilar as any other programming languages.

"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@.takempis.com> wrote in message
news:%236gZVUZYDHA.1480@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> How do you eat an elephant?
> Answer: One bite at a time.
> How do you learn ASP.Net?
> Answer: One byte at a time.
> Try starting small, with something like a "Hello World" single-page
> application. Do it with something like a Label Control that you set the
Text
> property of in the Page_Load method of the CodeBehind, to get the feel of
> working through CodeBehind and object-orientation. Once you can get a
simple
> Label to display "Hello World," you can add things to the page to learn
how
> to do more.
> I taught myself C a dozen years ago in much the same manner.
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> http://www.takempis.com
> Neither a follower nor a lender be.
> "Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@.mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> news:esS2j2VYDHA.384@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I've had so many failures early with aspx on that it bumbed me out.
> > A lot of intimidating error messages, a lot of config issues,
> > I wish I had some successes in the beginning
I like and will remember the contrast you drew between things that are easy
to use vs things that are easy to learn.

thanks

"Frank Drebin" <noemail@.imsickofspam.com> wrote in message
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I don't know about "easiest", but .NET is arguably the hugest milestone
since the computer was first built. It sets you up to do complex things way
easier than you ever could, and make the things you do - reusable.

In my mind, there are two types of things. Things that are "easy to use" and
things that are "easy to learn" - and these are usually mutually exclusive..
WordPerfect 5.0 was really difficult to learn, but once you did - it was
really easy to use.. and powerful. Something like Notepad is easy to learn,
but not easy to use - because once you learn how to use it - it can't do the
more complex things you'd like to do (like macros, formatting, etc..). So
you can either have something that's easy in the beginning, but you run into
major roadblocks later on (point to VB6).. or you can take something that is
tough up front - but has nearly ENDLESS potential (pointing to .NET)...

"Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@.mybubbles.com> wrote in message
news:udUjOeEbDHA.2284@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Holy crap you caught me at posting at Cakewalk.

I am just sort of whining about the fact that they "sold" ASP.net to us as
the next really easy step up from ASP, when in fact the two are as
dissimilar as any other programming languages.

"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@.takempis.com> wrote in message
news:%236gZVUZYDHA.1480@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> How do you eat an elephant?
> Answer: One bite at a time.
> How do you learn ASP.Net?
> Answer: One byte at a time.
> Try starting small, with something like a "Hello World" single-page
> application. Do it with something like a Label Control that you set the
Text
> property of in the Page_Load method of the CodeBehind, to get the feel of
> working through CodeBehind and object-orientation. Once you can get a
simple
> Label to display "Hello World," you can add things to the page to learn
how
> to do more.
> I taught myself C a dozen years ago in much the same manner.
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> http://www.takempis.com
> Neither a follower nor a lender be.
> "Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@.mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> news:esS2j2VYDHA.384@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I've had so many failures early with aspx on that it bumbed me out.
> > A lot of intimidating error messages, a lot of config issues,
> > I wish I had some successes in the beginning
I would also add that "under the hood" ASP and ASP.Net share quite a lot in
common. Both are server-side dynamic web technologies, which are driven by
an ISAPI that handles HTTP requests from the WWW. Both use HTML templates.
The real difference is that ASP.Net is so much more powerful (and therefore
harder to learn), and object-oriented, whereas ASP is procedural in nature.
For developers who are not acquainted with object-oriented principles, this
can be a tough learning curve. And ASP.Net automates much of what you had to
do by hand with ASP, particularly maintaining state between requests. This
necessitated a change in the way that the pages themselves are programmed,
even though you can bypass that and use ASP.Net just like ASP if you want to
(but who would want to?).

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
The more I learn, the less I know.

"Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@.mybubbles.com> wrote in message
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> I like and will remember the contrast you drew between things that are
easy
> to use vs things that are easy to learn.
> thanks
> "Frank Drebin" <noemail@.imsickofspam.com> wrote in message
> news:3kV2b.34251$Vx2.14889292@.newssvr28.news.prodi gy.com...
> I don't know about "easiest", but .NET is arguably the hugest milestone
> since the computer was first built. It sets you up to do complex things
way
> easier than you ever could, and make the things you do - reusable.
> In my mind, there are two types of things. Things that are "easy to use"
and
> things that are "easy to learn" - and these are usually mutually
exclusive..
> WordPerfect 5.0 was really difficult to learn, but once you did - it was
> really easy to use.. and powerful. Something like Notepad is easy to
learn,
> but not easy to use - because once you learn how to use it - it can't do
the
> more complex things you'd like to do (like macros, formatting, etc..). So
> you can either have something that's easy in the beginning, but you run
into
> major roadblocks later on (point to VB6).. or you can take something that
is
> tough up front - but has nearly ENDLESS potential (pointing to .NET)...
>
> "Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@.mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> news:udUjOeEbDHA.2284@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Holy crap you caught me at posting at Cakewalk.
> I am just sort of whining about the fact that they "sold" ASP.net to us as
> the next really easy step up from ASP, when in fact the two are as
> dissimilar as any other programming languages.
>
> "Kevin Spencer" <kevin@.takempis.com> wrote in message
> news:%236gZVUZYDHA.1480@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > How do you eat an elephant?
> > Answer: One bite at a time.
> > How do you learn ASP.Net?
> > Answer: One byte at a time.
> > Try starting small, with something like a "Hello World" single-page
> > application. Do it with something like a Label Control that you set the
> Text
> > property of in the Page_Load method of the CodeBehind, to get the feel
of
> > working through CodeBehind and object-orientation. Once you can get a
> simple
> > Label to display "Hello World," you can add things to the page to learn
> how
> > to do more.
> > I taught myself C a dozen years ago in much the same manner.
> > --
> > HTH,
> > Kevin Spencer
> > Microsoft MVP
> > .Net Developer
> > http://www.takempis.com
> > Neither a follower nor a lender be.
> > "Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@.mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> > news:esS2j2VYDHA.384@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > I've had so many failures early with aspx on that it bumbed me out.
> > > > A lot of intimidating error messages, a lot of config issues,
> > > > I wish I had some successes in the beginning
> >